The quotation is from an unnamed source in a CNN piece titled "Comey prepped responses ahead of Trump discussions." The wording he...
The quotation is from an unnamed source in a CNN piece titled "Comey prepped responses ahead of Trump discussions."
The wording here is helpful to those who are taking different positions on whether Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice:
This reminds me of something I've said a number of times about Trump. I don't think he is oriented toward law. The legal framework feels alien to him — a kind of problem or obstacle that must be dealt with, by your lawyers, after you decide what you want to do or — in Trump talk — what you have to do because you have no choice. I'd like to find all the old posts where I've made this observation, but here's one, from March 2016, "Trump's idea of law: 'I want to stay within the law... but we have to increase the law...'":
Trump's answer made sense to me, because businessmen should, as I put it, "understand the law, see what's to their advantage, and structure their transactions efficiently." And I thought, we should "trust a businessperson who followed the law and figured out how to use it," because that person would be "knowledgeable and competent," and not "someone who's so intimidated by law that he wastes money."
Trump said he should be trusted "because I know the game better than anybody, because I have been on the other side." It's what successful people in business do: "It's the game we play. We use the laws of the land." The laws are "part of the fabric of what you do. So, I'll use it. I mean, I'm a businessman."
Fine. But then how do you switch over and work competently and ethically on the government side? Trump said:
Back then, I said:
The wording here is helpful to those who are taking different positions on whether Trump committed the crime of obstruction of justice:
[Comey] was concerned that Trump's suggestion to end the Flynn probe could be an example of obstruction of justice. "It crossed his mind," a person familiar with the matter said, adding "even in its most benign form, it's an improper conversation. You're getting a little too close to the flame."If we assume all that is true, it seems to me that Comey did not believe that the interaction thus far amounted to a prosecutable crime but that he did see hints of an intention to proceed into the area that would be criminal and he wanted to be careful and observant. Was Trump feeling him out, beginning with ambiguous suggestion and seeing how compliant and easygoing Comey might be? The subsequent summary firing makes me think that is what Trump was doing and he got his answer. Comey was going to be rigorous and independent, and that's not what Trump wanted.
This reminds me of something I've said a number of times about Trump. I don't think he is oriented toward law. The legal framework feels alien to him — a kind of problem or obstacle that must be dealt with, by your lawyers, after you decide what you want to do or — in Trump talk — what you have to do because you have no choice. I'd like to find all the old posts where I've made this observation, but here's one, from March 2016, "Trump's idea of law: 'I want to stay within the law... but we have to increase the law...'":
Perhaps George W. Bush and Barack Obama thought about law the same way, but they didn't say it like this:ADDED: Here's another old post about Trump and the law. It cuts in a somewhat different way, but it shows how his perspective is that of a businessman who uses law when it's to his advantage. It was on "Face the Nation" again, a week later. John Dickerson questioned Trump about his use of H-1B visas and bankruptcy law and tax loopholes: "If you are president, why would anybody follow the laws that you put in place if they knew you were taking advantage of those laws when you were in the private sector?"
As expressed in that clip: Law is respected only in the sense that you acknowledge that when the law is in your way, you'll "increase" the law. Most people would say "change the law," so I'm struck by the locution "increase the law." It's sort of like the way Bush would say things like "Make the pie higher"... but less sunny... and far more sinister...
Trump's answer made sense to me, because businessmen should, as I put it, "understand the law, see what's to their advantage, and structure their transactions efficiently." And I thought, we should "trust a businessperson who followed the law and figured out how to use it," because that person would be "knowledgeable and competent," and not "someone who's so intimidated by law that he wastes money."
Trump said he should be trusted "because I know the game better than anybody, because I have been on the other side." It's what successful people in business do: "It's the game we play. We use the laws of the land." The laws are "part of the fabric of what you do. So, I'll use it. I mean, I'm a businessman."
Fine. But then how do you switch over and work competently and ethically on the government side? Trump said:
Now that I have turned politician -- I hate to say that, almost, about myself -- but now that I'm running for office, I know the game better than anybody. I'm the one that can fix all of this stuff.It's still a game, and he's confident he can play it from a different position, perhaps because he's onto the tricks that everyone else is playing. But it turns out they're playing very hard against him right now, and they have experience playing from the government and politics side, and Trump is winging it.
Back then, I said:
I don't see Trump as fomenting disrespect for the law. It's more the opposite. The law matters. Get it right. People using the law to their selfish advantage may reveal what's wrong with the law, and Trump is offering his services, as an expert player, in seeing and fixing the flaws so that the game produces a result that is in the general interest of the American people. There may be reasons not to trust him (and there are surely reasons to mistrust those who've played the law game from positions in government), but his use of the law isn't a good reason.ADDED: Here's the transcript for the March 6, 2016 "Face the Nation." The full quote from Trump is:
TRUMP: They're killing our soldiers when they capture them. I mean, they're doing that anyway. Now, if that were the case, in other words, we won't do it and you don't do it. But we're not playing by those rules. They're not -- why, somebody tell ISIS, look, we're going to treat your guys well, would you please do us a favor and treat our guys well? They don't do that. We're not playing by -- we are playing by rules, but they have no rules. It's very hard to win when that's the case.
DICKERSON: Isn't that separates us from the savages, rules?
TRUMP: No, I don't think so. We have to beat the savages.
DICKERSON: And therefore throw all rules out?
TRUMP: We have beat the savages.
DICKERSON: By being savages?
TRUMP: No. We -- well, look, you have to play the game the way they're playing the game. You're not going to win if we are soft, and they are -- they have no rules. Now, I want to stay within the laws. I want to do all of that. But I think we have to increase the laws, because the laws are not working, obviously. All you have to do is take a look what is going on. And they're getting worse. They're chopping, chopping, chopping, and we're worried about water-boarding. I just think it's -- I think our priorities are mixed up.
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